{"id":1894,"date":"2009-10-07T21:57:51","date_gmt":"2009-10-07T19:57:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ziserman.com\/blog\/?p=1894"},"modified":"2009-10-07T21:59:32","modified_gmt":"2009-10-07T19:59:32","slug":"debat-google-wave","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ziserman.com\/blog\/2009\/10\/07\/debat-google-wave\/","title":{"rendered":"D\u00e9bat : Google Wave"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Le \u00ab\u00a0d\u00e9jeuner-d\u00e9bat\u00a0\u00bb fait rage ce midi : Google Wave, un truc d&rsquo;ing\u00e9nieur ou un nouveau m\u00e9dia pour communiquer \u00ab\u00a0plus et mieux\u00a0\u00bb ?<\/p>\n<p>Avec <a title=\"Aller sur le blog de Benjamin\" href=\"http:\/\/net-marketing.fr\/\" target=\"_blank\">Benjamin<\/a>, <a title=\"Aller sur la page Viadeo d'Etienne\" href=\"http:\/\/www.viadeo.com\/fr\/profile\/etienne.surault\" target=\"_blank\">\u00c9tienne<\/a>, <a title=\"Aller sur la page LinkedIn de Vincent\" href=\"http:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/pub\/vincent-mineaud\/14\/939\/691\" target=\"_blank\">Vincent<\/a>, <a title=\"Aller sur le site de Sebastien\" href=\"http:\/\/www.meliweb.fr\/\" target=\"_blank\">S\u00e9bastien<\/a> et moi.<\/p>\n<p>Benjamin :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Plusieurs points posent probl\u00e8mes :<\/p>\n<p>C&rsquo;est un nouveau monde imperm\u00e9able : il n&rsquo;y a pas de passerelle avec les m\u00e9dias de communications classiques (Mail, instant messagerie)<\/p>\n<p>L&rsquo;outil est trop complexe :<\/p>\n<p>Beaucoup trop de fonctionnalit\u00e9s&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\u00e7a aurait peut \u00eatre \u00e9t\u00e9 plus malin d&rsquo;avancer plus par \u00e9tapes<\/p>\n<p>Encore un \u00ab\u00a0killer de productivit\u00e9\u00a0\u00bb : on va passer notre temps \u00e0 regarder les caract\u00e8res arriver, un par un&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Quel est le r\u00e9el sc\u00e9nario d&rsquo;usage ? On ne sait pas quoi en faire<\/p>\n<p>Si pour expliquer, il faut une vid\u00e9o d&rsquo;une heure, c&rsquo;est pas bon signe<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Vincent :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>C&rsquo;est pas parce qu&rsquo;on comprend pas un truc tout de suite qu&rsquo;il n&rsquo;est pas bien. Exemple, les fils de discussion sur GMail, c&rsquo;\u00e9tait pas hyper clair au d\u00e9but&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>G\u00e9nial de regrouper les diff\u00e9rents m\u00e9dia : Instant Messaging, Mail, dans la m\u00eame structure<\/p>\n<p>C&rsquo;est un protocole, un moyen, pas une fin en soi<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>S\u00e9bastien :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Au niveau technique, c&rsquo;est bluffant, mais je ne vois pas l&rsquo;usage<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Fran\u00e7ois :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Analogie avec le mail il y a 25 ans : c&rsquo;\u00e9tait utilis\u00e9 par le r\u00e9seau des universitaires, dans une interface Unix.<\/p>\n<p>Personne n&rsquo;aurait imagin\u00e9 \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00e9poque que \u00e7a pourrait devenir un m\u00e9dia de masse<\/p>\n<p>Maintenant, Google Wave, c&rsquo;est un protocole ouvert et une solution open source<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Benjamin<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Quel r\u00e9el sc\u00e9nario d&rsquo;usage ?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Fran\u00e7ois<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Il n&rsquo;y a pas de nouveau sc\u00e9nario : c&rsquo;est de la communication.<\/p>\n<p>On n&rsquo;est donc pas dans une rupture au niveau des fonctions propos\u00e9es, mais au niveau de la rupture sur la fa\u00e7on de communiquer<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Benjamin<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>C&rsquo;est comme les flux RSS, Twitter, ce sont des \u00ab\u00a0trips d&rsquo;ing\u00e9nieur\u00a0\u00bb : \u00e7a restera confin\u00e9 \u00e0 une petite communqut\u00e9<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Fran\u00e7ois<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Bonne analogie, effectivement, entre tweeter, RSS et Google Wave<\/p>\n<p>Effectivement, ce sont trois \u00ab\u00a0protocoles\u00a0\u00bb, brut de d\u00e9coffrage.<\/p>\n<p>Il faut le temps pour que ces plateformes trouvent leurs marques, leurs usages.<\/p>\n<p>Le temps que les marketeurs d&rsquo;approprient ces outils et cr\u00e9e les applications \u00ab\u00a0m\u00e9tier\u00a0\u00bb<\/p>\n<p>Mais si \u00e7a se trouve, la rupture n&rsquo;est pas suffisante, et les \u00ab\u00a0petits plus\u00a0\u00bb, la plus grande fluidit\u00e9 apport\u00e9 par GW ne sera pas suffisant pour changer les usages et basculer sur GW<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Vincent<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Mais c&rsquo;est Google : il ont une telle \u00e9nergie, puissance&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Ils ont vraiment les moyens de lancer \u00e7a et de r\u00e9ussir !<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Les autres<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Oui, enfin, Google, ils ont pas tout r\u00e9ussi&#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Question cl\u00e9 : ou sont stock\u00e9 les donn\u00e9es ?<\/p>\n<p>S\u00e9bastien, Vincent :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Ce qu&rsquo;on a compris, c&rsquo;est qu&rsquo;on peut se monter son \u00ab\u00a0Wave\u00a0\u00bb chez soi<\/p>\n<p>Donc, les donn\u00e9es ne sont pas n\u00e9cessairement chez Google<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>La conclusion qui semble se d\u00e9gager :<\/p>\n<p>Probablement un outil g\u00e9nial en entreprise<\/p>\n<p>consensus pour voir de la valeur pour les outils collaboratifs en entreprise<\/p>\n<p>Pour le grand public : a voir, dois faire ces preuves<\/p>\n<p><em>Je ferais une synth\u00e8se plus personnelle sur Google Wave dans un prochain billet<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Le \u00ab\u00a0d\u00e9jeuner-d\u00e9bat\u00a0\u00bb fait rage ce midi : Google Wave, un truc d&rsquo;ing\u00e9nieur ou un nouveau m\u00e9dia pour communiquer \u00ab\u00a0plus et mieux\u00a0\u00bb ? Avec Benjamin, \u00c9tienne, Vincent, S\u00e9bastien et moi. Benjamin : Plusieurs points posent probl\u00e8mes : C&rsquo;est un nouveau monde imperm\u00e9able : il n&rsquo;y a pas de passerelle avec les m\u00e9dias de communications classiques (Mail, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[379,42,84],"class_list":["post-1894","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-e-commerce","tag-araok","tag-google","tag-internet"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.2 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>D\u00e9bat : Google Wave - Ziserman.com<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ziserman.com\/blog\/2009\/10\/07\/debat-google-wave\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"fr_FR\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"D\u00e9bat : Google Wave - Ziserman.com\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Le \u00ab\u00a0d\u00e9jeuner-d\u00e9bat\u00a0\u00bb fait rage ce midi : Google Wave, un truc d&rsquo;ing\u00e9nieur ou un nouveau m\u00e9dia pour communiquer \u00ab\u00a0plus et mieux\u00a0\u00bb ? 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