{"id":11156,"date":"2019-07-16T20:47:12","date_gmt":"2019-07-16T18:47:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ziserman.com\/blog\/?p=11156"},"modified":"2019-07-16T20:47:14","modified_gmt":"2019-07-16T18:47:14","slug":"quand-les-scientifiques-signent-un-document-a-250-peut-on-discuter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ziserman.com\/blog\/2019\/07\/16\/quand-les-scientifiques-signent-un-document-a-250-peut-on-discuter\/","title":{"rendered":"Quand les scientifiques signent un document \u00e0 250, peut on discuter ?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Sur Twitter, <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/babgi\">Gilles Babinet<\/a> a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lopinion.fr\/edition\/politique\/science-ne-saurait-avoir-parti-pris-l-appel-250-scientifiques-aux-192812\">twitt\u00e9 un article\u00a0 : L\u2019appel de 250 scientifiques aux journalistes<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Donc 250 scientifiques signent un papier avec des assertions dont voici un extract :\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>La balance b\u00e9n\u00e9fice\/risque des principaux vaccins est sans appel en faveur de la vaccination<\/p>\n<p>Il n\u2019existe<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lopinion.fr\/edition\/economie\/homeopathie-lettre-ouverte-macron-buzyn-decision-basee-science-fakemed-191458\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u00a0aucune preuve de l\u2019efficacit\u00e9 propre des produits hom\u00e9opathiques<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&#8230;les diff\u00e9rentes instances charg\u00e9es d\u2019\u00e9valuer le risque li\u00e9 \u00e0 l\u2019usage de <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lopinion.fr\/edition\/economie\/glyphosate-radiographie-d-intoxication-collective-186859\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">glyphosate<\/a>\u00a0consid\u00e8rent comme improbable qu\u2019il pr\u00e9sente un risque canc\u00e9rig\u00e8ne pour l\u2019homme\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Le fait qu\u2019un organisme soit g\u00e9n\u00e9tiquement modifi\u00e9 (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lopinion.fr\/edition\/economie\/actions-anti-ogm-faucheurs-volontaires-retard-recherche-agriculture-191242\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">OGM)<\/a>\u00a0ne pr\u00e9sente pas en soi de risque pour la sant\u00e9<\/p>\n<p>L<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lopinion.fr\/edition\/economie\/nucleaire-energie-climat-loi-dans-tous-etats-191003\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u2019\u00e9nergie nucl\u00e9aire\u00a0<\/a>est une technologie \u00e0 faible \u00e9mission de CO2 et peut contribuer \u00e0 la lutte contre le changement climatique<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>On a ensuite un paragraphe qui calme toute envie de discuter :\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Ces points ne sont pas de simples opinions. Ce sont les conclusions issues de la litt\u00e9rature scientifique et soutenues par des institutions scientifiques fiables<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Ce texte m&rsquo;a fait r\u00e9fl\u00e9chir, voici quelques une de ces r\u00e9flexions :\u00a0<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Ces 250 scientifiques ont chacun une sp\u00e9cialit\u00e9. Ils sont donc individuellement expert dans un domaine, mais pas dans tous&#8230; Ils signent donc un papier sans \u00eatre en fait r\u00e9ellement garant que tout est bien fait sur tous les sujets<\/li>\n<li>Derri\u00e8re les diff\u00e9rents sujets se cachent d&rsquo;autres questions soci\u00e9tales. Ce papier donne l&rsquo;impression que ceux qui veulent discuter sont dans la cat\u00e9gorie des \u00e2nes.\u00a0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3>Prenons comme premier sujet l&rsquo;hom\u00e9opathie.<\/h3>\n<p>Cela fait des mois que l&rsquo;on constate une v\u00e9ritable cabale contre l&rsquo;hom\u00e9opathie. L&rsquo;argument r\u00e9p\u00e9t\u00e9 est qu&rsquo;aucune \u00e9tude n&rsquo;a prouv\u00e9 l&rsquo;efficacit\u00e9 de l&rsquo;hom\u00e9opathie, que la \u00ab\u00a0seule\u00a0\u00bb efficacit\u00e9\u00a0\u00bb serait l&rsquo;effet placebo.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Pour autant, il y a des \u00e9tudes qui montrent que les patients utilisant l&rsquo;hom\u00e9opathie consomment moins de m\u00e9dicaments \u00ab\u00a0classiques\u00a0\u00bb.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>L&rsquo;effet placebo, tout le monde en convient, est une r\u00e9alit\u00e9 : si on est convaincu qu&rsquo;on prend un m\u00e9dicament qui va agir, effectivement cela va agir (dans une certaine mesure bien s\u00fbr).\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Pourquoi minimiser cet effet ? Je suis en fait pratiquement certain que l&rsquo;hom\u00e9opathie, m\u00eame en n&rsquo;\u00e9tant qu&rsquo;un placebo, est un truc g\u00e9nial pour la sant\u00e9 publique : si les patients se soignent avec du sucre, et que cela \u00e9vite dans pleins de cas de prendre des traitements ayant bien plus d&rsquo;effets secondaires, et coutant bien plus cher, le bilan est carr\u00e9ment positif.<\/p>\n<p>Vous voyez mon point ? Je ne conteste pas le fait que l&rsquo;hom\u00e9opathie est un plac\u00e9bo, mais je dis qu&rsquo;avoir un plac\u00e9bo est carr\u00e9ment indispensable !\u00a0<\/p>\n<h3>Autre sujet, le nucl\u00e9aire.<\/h3>\n<p>Bien s\u00fbr que le nucl\u00e9aire produit moins de CO2 que les centrales a charbon ! Mais la question n&rsquo;est pas l\u00e0 !\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Le nucl\u00e9aire repr\u00e9sente un danger \u00e9norme, aujourd&rsquo;hui et demain.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Aujourd&rsquo;hui car un incident est toujours possible, et demain car on ne sait pas traiter les d\u00e9chets radio-actifs.<\/p>\n<p>Alors on va me dire que les centrales sont s\u00e9cures&#8230; Ce que je ne crois pas. Mon raisonnement est simple, on peut prendre en analogie ce qui s&rsquo;est pass\u00e9 pour le Boeing 737 Max : les int\u00e9r\u00eats financiers et la paresse naturelle de la nature humaine peuvent conduire \u00e0 des catastrophes.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Les accidents peuvent arriver, avec des cons\u00e9quences potentiellement terribles, et les alternatives sont les \u00e9nergies propres. certains pays, comme le Danemark sont ainsi bien plus avanc\u00e9s que nous sur ces sujets&#8230;\u00a0<\/p>\n<h3>Au final<\/h3>\n<p>Au final, cet article me fait plut\u00f4t penser \u00e0 une n-i\u00e8me couche pour <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.fr\/Propaganda-Edward-Bernays\/dp\/2355220018\">manipuler les masses<\/a>.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Personne ne discute, je pense, l&rsquo;existence des lobbies, et leurs extr\u00eames puissances (rappelez moi pourquoi Nicolas Hulot a quitt\u00e9 le gouvernement ?).\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Dans un tel contexte, il me semble raisonnable de garder l&rsquo;esprit critique en \u00e9veil.<\/p>\n<p>Apr\u00e8s, il est difficile d&rsquo;avoir des d\u00e9bats int\u00e9ressant sur ces sujets, car entre les int\u00e9r\u00eats partisans d&rsquo;un c\u00f4t\u00e9, et la b\u00eatise de l&rsquo;autre (conspirationnistes &amp; co), le chemin du d\u00e9bat constructif est \u00e9troit. Pourtant, ce d\u00e9bat est indispensable pour faire \u00e9voluer la soci\u00e9t\u00e9.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11156","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-e-commerce"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.2 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Quand les scientifiques signent un document \u00e0 250, peut on discuter ? - Ziserman.com<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ziserman.com\/blog\/2019\/07\/16\/quand-les-scientifiques-signent-un-document-a-250-peut-on-discuter\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"fr_FR\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Quand les scientifiques signent un document \u00e0 250, peut on discuter ? 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